332: Trust in Franchise Selling, with Joe Mohay

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Franchise Selling must ultimately be around building trust with your customer base before getting started.

We welcome Joe Mohay, CRO & Co-Founder of Integrated Digital Strategies (IDS), on the podcast this week, and he is here to talk Franchise Selling. Joe shares what he has learned in his career regarding building trust with customers, “Businesses that go above and beyond are the ones who will succeed.” He breaks it down into three sections, treat customers like family, prove to them you are trustworthy from advocacy from other customers, and be a raving fan for your customers.

Since the company was founded in 2012, Joe and the rest of the IDS team have worked closely with franchise organizations as a trusted franchise digital marketing partner. Their integrated approach to digital marketing focuses on franchise brands, local franchisees, and franchise development teams. This led to a stellar reputation in the franchise community and a Top-Tier Ranking by Entrepreneur Magazine in 2018 and 2019. Using his 20 years of digital marketing experience, Joe manages the company’s revenue growth, sales and marketing strategies, nurturing of professional relationships, and delivering a solid ROI for their 55+ franchise brands.



George: It’s another edition of the Conquer Local podcast and this week we’re digging into the industry that is one of the lifebloods of local economies and that is the franchise business. I recently was at the International Franchise Conference in Orlando, Florida. Got to catch up with an old friend of mine, Joe Mohay who is from Integrated Digital Strategies. He’s the chief revenue officer and one of the co-founders and we’re gonna get Joe on the podcast this week to give us the ins and outs of the “sors” and the “sees” FranchiSORS and the franchiSEES, that power the local economies of all of our local communities. Joe Mohay, our guest this week on the Conquer Local podcast coming up next. 

George: Very excited to have my good friend Joe Mohay on the podcast, this episode and Joe, welcome to the podcast from, is it Sunny Florida today?

Joe: Yeah, it is a Sunny, it’s central Florida and I’m looking out of my patio here, it looks like a gorgeous day.

George: Okay it buds, gorgeous where we are too in the middle of the frozen tundra. I’m sure the only difference is the temperature and maybe some snow.

Joe: Yeah, well it was good that a couple of weeks ago you got to experience the Florida, the weather here when you were in Orlando, so.

George: Always enjoy when I look at the conference schedule and we get to come to Orlando and you and I get to hang out and learn some more about each other. And we’ve known each other for… I was thinking about this. We’ve known this for about six and a half years and your company was founded in 2012, so you’ve been doing this for quite some time. Why don’t you just give us the high level bio of Joe Mohay CRO and co-founder of Integrated Digital Strategies.


Insight Into Integrated Digital Strategies

Joe: Yeah, well thank you George. I feel equally as proud of you guys and all the things you guys you’ve been able to do over the last eight plus years, since I’ve known you. You know, funny story is I actually sold YellowPages in my first early going in marketing and sales and carried the bag and worked with local SMBs throughout Central Florida. And that was gosh, dating myself almost 20 years ago. But I’ve had a tremendous passion for digital from those early years when Google really got kicked off. I adopted the whole internet marketing knowledge base and I utilize that throughout my career. And eight years ago when I met my partner, Steve Galligan, got into the digital marketing business ourselves. I felt that, we felt together that franchising was just a tremendous opportunity to build a marketing agency around because of some of the things that we’re gonna talk about on this podcast and the opportunities it provided. We’re a team that’s spread around a couple of different areas around the country, from Boston to Orlando to Salt Lake City, we have a tremendous technology abroad that provides us great technology services along with partners like yourselves and two years in a row, Entrepreneur, ranked us as one of the top tier marketing agencies that serve the franchise community. That was a crowning achievement we’re very proud of. It was voted on by our clients and like I said, we’re a very lean, but very driven organization and getting recognized by a publisher like that really is great validate our company.

George: Well, and congratulations on that, well-deserved as we know, we’ve worked together over the years. I know that in talking to your customer base, which I’ve had the privilege to be able to do a number of times, and as recently as just a few weeks ago, your customers are raving fans. So, let’s set the stage, we talk about your career. So you carried the bag, you’ve knocked on all the doors, and then you adopt digital. And you recognize that there’s this sweet spot in franchise that needs to be served. I wanna just scratch into one little piece here. It’s that obsessing on the customer experience that really has helped you guys in building the business that you’ve built because your clients love you.

Joe: Yeah, so for us it’s, we’re a digital marketing agency like most that you come across in the industry. Obviously, we do some things that I think are you know, set us apart and I’ll touch on that as we continue the conversation. But at the end of the day, it’s all about building a very trusting, personal relationship as best as you can with your client. That’s what I feel like as you said, George you know a lot of clients you talk to at these different conferences, I feel like they really feel we’re their partner where we’re in it with them. Their success is absolutely at the forefront of our minds. And I been kind of taught in sales and marketing and just being in business. If you don’t have a happy customer, you don’t have a successful business. And so, our team, we all share that sentiment, impartial relationships and in striving to exceed their expectations and finding solutions to problems that’s literally who we are in our culture and that I think has served us really well.

George: Well, I wanted to dig into that a little bit, Joe first off, because your experiences you’ve been selling your whole life and you’ve been very successful at it. I think there’s a lot of people that listen to the podcast that may be new to the business or maybe they’re starting to understand that they need to sell and they need to… But it’s more than just going out and communicating with a prospect or being good at cold calling. There’s all these other skills, but it’s having that in your heart that you really care about the customer at the end of the day and walking them through what might be a successful partnership. You know, that word gets overused. I think a lot of people pay lip service to it and actually don’t really dig into that. And I think where this is really important is when you have a recession happen or there’s some sort of an economic event in your market or in your industry. It’s the people that are seen as the one, the businesses that will go above and beyond that survive what might be the inevitable churn that might be coming. So, something happens, we elect a government that isn’t business friendly and the market goes down, people freak out. It’s the businesses that really have that customer focus that are in a very unique position to weather that storm. And by the way, those storms are gonna happen. They’ve been happening for a million years, they’re gonna continue to happen. Can you comment on that from your experience over the years in sales?


Sales Experience Through the Years

Joe: Yeah, I’d say that all goes back to really earning the trust advisor status. That’s like the Holy Grail of sales and relationship building and that comes in time. So, serving your customer as if they’re an extension of your family and really get under the needs and the problems that they face every day and what their bosses are measuring for their success, I think it has to be like the foundation of what you do before even the marketing programs are underway and the activities really digging in and learning their brand, learning their culture, learning what’s most important to them. And once you’ve done that, when these storms try to take effect, you know the things that happen in a market, they really listen to you. They look for your advice and essence, ’cause they know you live in front of data, you live in front of the marketing realm and you also talk to a lot of brands, right? A lot of people that might like industries and have shared what challenges and successes they’re having. So to me it’s all about establishing a trusting relationship, early on. You’ve got to earn that. And then when these challenges come up, you know, you’re working through them together and finding solutions to problems. And that really served us again very well, not only as part of this agency, but just throughout my 20-year sales career.

George: Well, thank you for that and I think that it’s something that salespeople need to keep in mind. It’s agency owners need to keep in mind, business owners need to keep in mind, is you want those raving fans. One of the things we were most excited about getting you on the podcast was to get your learnings over the last eight years, where you’ve been working in the franchise space. And I think a lot of people, when they’re out making sales calls in a local market, they’re like, oh, there’s this business here. It’s a franchise, I’m gonna go sell that one Massage Envy and then they’re all gonna wanna come on board with me. And it’s not quite that simple, is it in that space?

Joe: No, I have a funny story where we, my partner Steve Galligan and I got into the franchise space, where our first kind of introduction to it was at a franchise show. And with the IFA it was eight years ago, we really just went in eyes wide open, that’s okay, “How are we gonna adapt to this type of industry?” “What are we gonna learn from it?” And obviously, we have a lot of confidence in our approach to marketing. And it was interesting to hear from the folks that kind of head up these IFA organizations like listen, this is not a grand slam. You’re gonna come in and nail a home run your first time and you gotta show that you’re part of this franchise community and you gotta stick with it. There’s some long-term relationships that you have to build to be trusted as a marketing partner. And so when we got in, we really thought along those lines and we had a couple of big wins early on, but we were grinding. Now Steve and I are sales and marketing guys like you, George, and many of the people you work with. We had to do a lot of prospecting, a lot of flying around the country and pitching and strike out on some deals. But inevitably, you land a couple and that can really hold, it holds ground for your organization. What I found to be really a differentiator for us when we got into this eight years ago is we saw the growing opportunity for franchise development like you mentioned, George. That is top of mind any C-suite level executive in franchising cares deeply about growing their brand. That’s why they’re in business. So what we felt was an opportunity is let’s tackle the franchise industry, kind of going more to that franchise development side of the business, they’re sales executives. These are people like us that have very similar mindsets in growing sales and investing in marketing. So they were highly accessible. When I would go to shows, I pick up a card, I mean their cell phone, their office number, their email, their social media chat, all on the card. It was not a hard sale to get in front of these folks. And we work those relationships and we did our research figured okay, where they’re spending their money, where it’s not working and where we see opportunities. And we found that franchise development, selling franchises depended heavily on inbound marketing. You know, content creation, answering franchise buyers’ most important questions. And that’s around the time when inbound marketing started to build in the marketplace. And we just laser-focused on inbound marketing for these franchise organizations. And they saw it and they felt it pretty quickly what the impact it made for them to sell franchise.


FranchiSEES and franchiSORS

George: So, Joe let’s break this down for our audience. When we talk about the franchise business, there are franchisees, the “SEES”, and those are the people that buy a franchise. And then there’s the franchisor, the “SORS”  we’ll call them throughout the episode. Those are the people that are selling franchises, So I wanna give you some famous names of people that have sold franchises, Conrad Hilton, Joe Marriott, Colonel Sanders, Ray crock, some of the most successful business people like when you think those names, you think, “oh wow”. Like when you hear Hilton, sometimes you think, Paris. I think Conrad, because that was where that franchise was built, so start thinking about that for a moment to our audience. You drove by five franchises on your way to work this morning. Like they’re everywhere and it’s an amazing industry. And as I’ve started to dig into this over the last few years and learn more about it at that very highest level of the franchise or the “SORS”, it’s actually quite a small world, like they know each other and they go to these conventions and they share concepts on how to grow that brand. When you’re talking about growing brands, though you’re talking about growing locations and rooftops.

Joe: Yes, yeah so, there’s definitely an important element that franchise organizations care about, it’s two things. It’s growing the brand, so growing the number of locations through, like you said, franchisees, building a business model that is sustainable, it’s validated and you offer your franchise to these prospective franchisees, but also keeping those franchisees happy. Franchisee satisfaction is the number two, at least the number two thing that franchise organizations care about, outside of growing their brand. And these brands have to provide great support. I mean the whole Mantra of franchising is you’re in business for yourself, but not by yourself. And marketing is very much a part of that investment that they make into a franchise organization.

George: And that’s the value that they bring, so that let’s, I want you to help me with this. I want to paint a picture for our audience. You’ve got a franchisor and they now have this pipeline of potential business entrepreneurs that want to buy their franchises. The odd time, correct me if I’m wrong, the odd time you might find a master franchise that has the ability to buy a territory and do whatever the hell they want with it is while not whatever they want with it, but they could put up 10 or 15, that’s it thing too, right?

Joe: Yes, yeah that’– 

George: But then you’ve got this business and this entrepreneur, and they now meet with the franchisor and their team that is responsible for franchise development, essentially selling franchises and their value proposition is we have a business model that works. So we’re not talking about a startup where you gotta go and you gotta figure everything out, trial and error, and you think that you’ve got the greatest thing, since sliced bread and you go through eight different pivots to get to that Where we’re saying the franchisors is value proposition. We’ve already done the pivots. We’ve already figured out what works. We already know what are the best markets. We already know what the best locations are to put these things that’s why you’re paying us this fee to become a franchisee. Now it’s up to you to go run that business and then the franchisor has to still give value and support that. Are we on the right page here? I just wanna get a picture painted for our audience.

Joe:  Yeah, yeah, in a simple view that’s exactly what it is. It’s having a business model that is attractive enough, where someone is willing to put their life savings into an investment to obviously have more control of their destiny. You know meet their dreams of being in business, but not all of that risk that it takes. You know, how businesses, I don’t forget the percentage of businesses, don’t even make it past the first five years. That number is greatly diminished when a person, an investor, or a potential franchisee is buying into a franchise. But the dynamic I think that’s really important is franchise brands, obviously there’s a variety of industries that people could consider and it’s not always about dollars and cents. It’s all about maybe also having an emotional connection to that particular industry. You know, I have children and I’m very much involved in their education. If I, and I’ve done a lot of research, I might lean towards education franchises because I’m so passionate about it. So, or health and wellness, people that are potentially, looking to buy a business where ’cause they’re big, in healthy living. So franchise development is something that is constantly has to fuel education and answers to questions not selling. You know, the selling, it’s actually done like maybe towards the end. So, I mean there’s statistics through IFA and different organizations, that provide this data. It’s almost 60% of the sale is done before they even talked to the salesperson. Think about when you buy a car, or buy a house. You’re doing all your online research. Well before you have the conversations with the realtor or the salesperson. So buying a business, it’s about educating, doing all your research online as much as you can, asking Google these highly important questions, and then start to have some dialogue with the brand that you’re interested in looking at.

George: Well, and back to what you mentioned earlier as you guys were cracking the code on this you realize that because it’s this inbound demand and there’s an enormous amount of research that is done to drive that inbound demand. Correct me if I’m wrong, if we look back eight years ago, it wasn’t like there was this amazing content engine at the top of every franchisor and it probably still doesn’t exist to this day because I look at some of the biggest brands in the world that have a content creation problem. So, you’re saying, and I think that it’s important that we all understand this. It’s actually something you’ve heard over and over and over again on the podcast is if you’re not the trusted local expert and you’re not bringing real value and you… Because they’ve already figured out if they wanna talk to you and go down the road to a sale. You’re actually, by the time you start talking to the prospect, it’s your deal to lose.

Joe: Yeah, yeah that’s part of, I would say part of the picture, I mean, to me the brands that have actually excelled in inbound marketing are not the big, like you said, they’re not the biggest and best well-known brands. To be honest with you, the mid market brands I’ve seen have tremendous growth. You know, mid market being you’re 50 to 150 location that truthfully in our agency world, that’s our sweet spot, right? Because we know they are validated, they’ve got locations out there, they have happy franchisees, they’re aggressive, they wanna grow to that 500 location goal, for the next several years. So they’re putting their marketing dollars to work to compete with some of those big well-known brands. And the internet, as we all know, George, you know as good as anyone, is the great equalizer. So where we found really great success is for a franchise development or franchise recruitment,  client, we’re pumping out content. You know, we’re thinking about the blog topics revolve around the sales process. What are the objections? What are the pain points that franchise develop… Franchisees, potential franchisees have when considering a franchise? So we we’re pumping out that blog content, we’re coming up with great landing pages and downloadable content and we’re optimizing this for search. They find to get more leads, the cost per acquisition is a lot lower as you know, because it’s organic, it’s earned. And these brands, these mid market brands, have just had a field day, taking opportunities away from some of the bigger enterprise level brands because they’re answering the buyer’s questions better and they’re becoming more of a thought leader within their respective industries.

George: You know, it’s interesting, I was talking to a junior marketer the other day that shall go nameless, and not even in our building, so let’s just get that out there. So there’s a bunch of junior marketers in our building. They’ll be going, “oh, you might be talking about me.” But it wasn’t in our building and I was talking to them about, “Let me see what your sales presentation is.” And they were like, “Oh yeah, we put this together three years ago.” And I’m like, “And it still works.” I was absolutely astonished because a good presentation is constantly evolving, based upon the objections or the questions that you’re getting from prospects. That’s why it’s never done. The people in our building know that I’m gonna come up with a new pitch tomorrow because there’s something that happened on a call. Now, when you talk about blogging and content writing, let’s think about this for a moment. Imagine if the blog writer actually talked to the salesperson that was on 20 calls talking to prospects saying, this question comes up all the time, “please just write me a piece of content that they can consume to solve that question before I have to talk to them.” And it’s about tying that whole thing together.

Joe: Yeah, sales and marketing alignment, that’s where the brands that are really having success are doing it. And you know, buyer personas is a big topic for our business that we’re involved in. I would say they want franchise sales guys just like any salesperson wants to lead, right? They want the funnel building, but not every lead is gonna convert, and when you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars of investment to potentially buy a franchise and capital, it takes these leads are they have to be highly viable. Financially, they’ve got to fit the brand culture. They’re awarded franchise, they’re not, They can’t just buy a franchise, a franchisor awards it to a potential franchisee. So what, I’ve always advocated is treat your website, your franchise sales website as the ultimate sales tool, the ultimate online resource, almost like your own Wikipedia about the industry and about your brand and what your ideal franchise prospects, the people that you’re looking to sell this brand to what they are interested in to know. What matters most to them, and you’re using video. You’re using, like I said blog blog topics, FAQs, guides, downloadables. You just have to just arm them with every piece of content that you think will be helpful to help them through that sales process. And they’ve let themselves out. I have clients that tell me, “gosh, you know before I used to get a lot of leads and they 1% would convert. Now, that’s like twice or three times that maybe a little bit less volume, but they’re real lead. They’re real candidates that are motivated and educated to take the next step.” And that’s a beautiful picture when you think about the ROI of selling a franchise compared to what they actually pay in marketing dollars. It is a wonderful proposition for both us as an agency as well as the brands that we represent.


Biggest Challenges for FranchiSEES in 2020

George: Well, I’ve thought about this a lot when, and I’m glad that you brought it up. We were talking about leads, “so what do they need?” They want leads. That’s actually not the truth, they’re lying to you. They want good leads, they want qualified leads, Real good salespeople, their time is valuable and they don’t wanna talk to dusty leads, I think is what our teams have called them that they don’t even have a business yet. Let, well that’s great, that’s not a bad thing. Let’s send them over here to school and them learn about some things and then when they’re tall enough to ride the ride, then we’ll put them into DisneyWorld. So there’s my Orlando reference to your backyard there. You know, the goal of this episode was to understand the how and why that the franchise world has adapted to digital. And you’re showing that this is how they’re selling franchises, but also this is how the franchisor business works at the highest level. In two minutes, in a very short overview, what do you think some of the biggest challenges that franchisees have in 2020?

Joe: Yeah no, that’s great. Great tie into what I think is also highly, highly important is franchisees are, just to say this to you, if you do not have happy franchisees, I don’t care how much you can invest in franchise development marketing, you’re not gonna sell a lot of franchises. There’s just too much content, there’s too much online sentiment out on the web as these franchise buyers are doing their due diligence that if you have a lot of unhappy franchisees and it’s floating to the top of searches or they’re poking around those review sites and saying, “wow, these guys are twos out of fives”, and they’re not responding to reviews. That all is factored in as franchisors, we are trying to grow their brand. Qhat’s great about this though, in working again with partners like yourselves who provide agencies like us, I mean we’re 30% agency. You provide a scalable and easy to implement marketing services. What we’ve found to be highly important for franchisors is to empower franchisees with the ability to have localized marketing for their specific markets, but also, giving them scalable solutions that are managed a little bit at the top level and the brand level, but empowering them, giving them guidance, educating them through Webinars through conferences, regional conferences. I do this pretty regularly with some of our biggest and best clients where I’ll fly out and go to a regional conference in front of maybe 100 franchisees and just reinforce the importance of these tools that the brand has invested in on their behalf. But knowing that they are the ones controlling and maximizing those tools, not the brand marketer at the top level, it’s the local franchisee and all of that content that online sentiment is online. When you’re selling a franchise, people can see if it’s an unhappy franchisee website or if the franchisees are not responding to reviews or getting reviews, enough reviews, that affects the growth of that brand.


All Starting From the Corporate Level

George: Well, it’s a really good point and it is the catch 22 where you, and I’m sure that our audience has called on a franchisee in the local market and maybe they were even able to sell them a small ad campaign or some sort of digital marketing tools. And you’ll hear from that franchisee, “well, I don’t have the authority to do this”. That’s at the franchisor level. Nine times out of 10 that smoke, they just, you didn’t give them a really good value proposition as to why they should do business with you. The other thing we’re finding is even if the franchisor has this information and they built tools, they may not necessarily be readily sharing it with the local location. So all is not lost, there is a local sale opportunity. But in a lot of cases, we’re seeing more and more that being dictated at the corporate level. Is my feeling that I’m hearing the same thing you’re hearing from your groups that you work with?

Joe: Yeah, I’d say just in a typical relationship with kind of the parent-child relationship in franchise marketing. There’s definitely needs to have infrastructure that they have control of the overall digital ecosystem. And in a sense, making sure the listings are accurate and you know better than anyone how that affects findability. They have to have the right tools that are easy to implement, so that a franchisee that’s running can utilize and not feel like they’re spending hours doing that. But at the end of the day, each local market has a requirement to spend additional dollars to drive leads, right? So they pay into an ad fund that’s based on percentage of sales and that does a lot for their overall marketing for that specific franchise. But the additional dollars to invest in lead generation is where I feel digital marketing sales folks that you know, you work with have the biggest opportunity. And they might say that objection, or “corporate handles that”, well, they only handle small pieces of that. And that’s mostly due to inability, in local presence aspects. The other thing that I find is very effective is when you look at their vocation pages, if there’s not enough uniqueness to the page, if there’s not reviews streaming onto there. If there’s not enough information about the local community, about the owner, they’re missing out on this whole hyperlocal SEO opportunity and I feel like that with digital tools is where I feel franchisees can invest that they’re not getting from the franchisor.



George: Well, I hate saying my old friend, so I’m gonna say my longtime friend Joe Mohay, on the podcast this week, giving us the 101 and maybe the 102 and the 103 on or is it one, is it giving us the 100, the 200, and the 300 chorus on franchise is today in about 20 minutes time. Great job in getting it into bite-sized pieces for the conquerors out there to understand this space. It’s questions that come up all the time and producer Colleen and I were thinking, who could we get is, “oh a Joe, just get Joe, he’s gonna cover it.” So thanks for joining us from Sunny Orlando and thanks for being our very latest guest on the Conquer Local podcast.

Joe: Thank you for having me and we wish you all the best George and your organization. You guys are a true partner for us since the beginning and looking forward to many years with you guys.

George: Well, great conversation with Joe Mohay, one of my favorite revenue leaders out there. He’s had an interesting career as he arrived in this franchise development space and Integrated Digital Strategies has recently went from franchise development to also helping the individual franchisees run a better business through their business marketing. Some interesting takeaways from Joe and the things that he has learned. And that is that there’s an enormous amount of power in that franchise structure. When you think about the money that they charge when they sell an individual franchise. We’re not talking about $10 here, we’re talking about a very significant investment and they’re looking for, a lot of times the franchisor is looking to vet whoever is buying the franchisee to make sure that they’re an entrepreneur at heart and they’re a business person and they have some skin in the game and that type of thing. So it’s a very interesting model. And as I mentioned during the podcast, you think of some of the biggest brands in the world, they are part of this franchise model. It’s interesting when it comes to franchise development, what Joe was saying because I think it speaks to a number of revenue motions or customer journeys that are out there that this idea of I can go online and I can learn everything I need to know about the thing that I’m thinking of buying or the concept that I’m thinking of buying. You think about franchisees, you know, some of them are worth millions of dollars. So we’re not talking about a small sale here. That level of research and the fact that we can do it online has really changed the game for businesses when they’re trying to drive demand. And he talked a lot about inbound marketing. He talked a lot about getting that content online and then the potential buyers read through that content and actually what they’re looking is to find the right customer. And then it was interesting, by the time I get down to selling, a lot of the questions have already been answered. And we’re finding that more and more. It’s not necessarily just small purchases where there’s research happening, this amount of research around these massive purchases in the franchise business. 

George: You know, there’s less risk in investing and buying a franchise. And part of that, and I’m glad that Joe touched on it, that is the fact that franchise development has done a lot of the research already to figure out where the best fits are going to be for these businesses. And it is such a broad range. It’s hotels, it’s restaurants, but it’s also nannies and it’s painting businesses and pretty much anything can be molded into that franchise model. And you don’t have to drive very far down the main streets in North America or the high streets in Europe to find a franchise. They are everywhere. So understanding how we go to the franchisor, Joe did a great job of that today, but it was really interesting. He made a point of pointing out that the individual franchisees have a number of problems that they need to solve as well. And what I’m trying to get you folks to think about is that mistake that salespeople make when they’re out on the street and they come by the go by a large brand that they know is part of a franchise and they just pre-qualify it and disqualify it. And they say no, those buyers are made at the corporate head office, not all of them. 

George: The corporate head office mandates certain things, but there are a number of things that that local business needs to source and consume themselves. And I think that you owe it to the prospect to tell you that they’re not in the market and not just pre-qualify that opportunity because it’s a large brand. 

George: Thanks to Joe for joining us on this week’s edition of the Conquer Local podcast, all about the “SEES” and the “SORS. Thanks to everyone for reaching out to us on our favorite channel, the LinkedIn profile, and we’ve been getting constant messages over the last few weeks to speak about some of the very interesting things that are happening right now. And that’s where we come up with our teaching episodes and we’ve got some great ones coming up here over the next couple of weeks, based upon some of the things that you’ve been asking for. What’s one of the problems that you’re having that you can’t solve or you’re maybe struggling to solve? Give it to us on LinkedIn. Come to my LinkedIn profile, George Leith, send me a private message and then we’ll go out and do the research and try and find some guests that can speak about it that are subject matter experts. That’s where these episodes are coming from. And you know, we’d like to thank Dale for his request of us digging into the franchisee and the franchisor space and we went out and found a guy that does it every single day, Mr. Joe Mohay and I hope that you found some value from that. That’s where we come up with our concepts as we move forward here in season three and then into season four next year of what these episodes might look like. The other thing is, you know, those of you who know me really well know that I have a tendency maybe to procrastinate and do things at the last minute, but not producer Colleen, she is always ahead of the game. So we are thinking about episodes for later this year and we’d love to hear from you of your concepts that we should be discussing here on the Conquer Local podcast. Thanks for joining us, my name is George Leith. I’ll see you when I see you.